and but i don't see, judy, i mean i recall in 1990 when george h.w. bush was president, and we went to andrew os air force base for five weeks with the leadership of the congress and the leadership of the white house and dick-- and john sununu and the president was involved and bob dole, you know, it was just really a major thing. i don't see anything approaching that since those urgency engagement or involvement at this point. >> woodruff: why not? >> i think in the democrats, i think the president feels that he's got the upper hand, the advantage on it. i think that his position is stronger, it's more popular. he thinks its more defensible and most people would agree with him. and he's got the republicans very much, if not at his mercy than certainly at a disadvantage. >> they both like it secretly. there are democrats it's going to be probably a political win. i think they know substantively it's a disaster. sequestration was designed to be stupid so it wouldn't happen and succeeds magnificently at being stupid it is really stupid policy. it's a po